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reisen doesn’t mind enabling bullshitters

The only example I've seen right now is the one I just linked, which you made a big deal out of, when it was perfectly reasonable in my eyes.

I dont think lolcery is actively trying to steal and give your advice as own either, and i also dont see that big of a problem with "i personally found" as for me this sentece just transmits that someone remembers that in their personal case, they found something useful, not necessarily that its their own original idea. (edited)

You might be right on other points, but you should talk about them to Lolcery (or in the moment they happen, but in this case that you just tried to, I don't think you were in the right to call them out) (edited)

This is some petty ass shit going on in here

11:38 PM

and I am really petty

I dont find it "bullshit" either.

I mean, im bad at wording shit, i wouldn't be surprised if i was misunderstood

berockly (TTG)

I mean, im bad at wording shit, i wouldn't be surprised if i was misunderstood

Dont justify your wording. Sounds worse if you do.

the thing that triggers me the most is harmful advice The second is people bullshitting It was a rrpeating pattern and i did call lolcery out multiple times If you disagree with that, i don’t care anymore

and calls it “petty” for me to bring it up

Reisen: What I called "slightly petty" was taking issue with someone failing to cite you for generic advice you gave them in the past. Only slightly, because I get it, but it's maybe not worth making a fuss about in this scenario (edited)

11:40 PM

I haven't seen other callouts.. I don't know how we always miss these supposed events when we keep up more or less with all channel activity

jesus reisen you really didn’t get it

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Are you really getting upset for not being credited for the 'let your tulpas talk to other people' advice because you didn't come up with that either

eh time to sleep

Well i am shit at wording, i always have trouble wording things, i had a conversation abt it

and rusrg joined the reisen interpretation even though i explained 3 times

I get that you're saying there are other (maybe more legitimate) examples, I just wasn't there for them. But it's a personal thing to PM Lolcery about either way

and rusrg joined the reisen interpretation even though i explained 3 times

@KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ (@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk) - jump *rusty

I mean, this specific example is silly

anyway good night

Another example is when i explained tulpamancy using a thought experiment

11:42 PM

An claimed that i stole that experiment

Reisen: You don't have to continue this here, it's pretty off topic (and not really nice in an off-topic channel either, so PM as I said) (edited)

Even though it is a realization i had myself, in alabama, at athens, mid afternoon

Reisen

Reisen: You don't have to continue this here, it's pretty off topic (and not really nice in an off-topic channel either, so PM as I said) (edited)

Oh

11:43 PM

berockly (TTG)

An claimed that i stole that experiment

You remember her now? Just earlier, you didn't remember her. How interesting.

Cerys

You remember her now? Just earlier, you didn't remember her. How interesting.

Yeah, when she mentioned stealing i was like "oh, shes that person"

11:45 PM

Reisen: Really, no one wants to read this here (And maybe someone would want to in another channel.. But I think this is a strongly personal thing for you two to talk about on your own) (edited)

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

the thing that triggers me the most is harmful advice The second is people bullshitting It was a rrpeating pattern and i did call lolcery out multiple times If you disagree with that, i don’t care anymore

Although i can agree with this Issue, im not sure that was the original argument. I also dont remember lolcery advice mix-ups, i mostly remember stuff about AI and some other random stuff, but not sure if there was one while giving advice... (I dont remember many specific events) And i also dont think this was a case of bad advice.

11:54 PM

Whoops, i see it finished already

Yeah

#tulpa-questions certainly isn't the place for an extended discussion on whether someone is or is not habitually making things up. But what baffles me the most is the need for others to weigh in on a topic they admit they haven't been following.

Reisen: Mm, well, I weighed in on the actual current problem (the credit thing). Kind of have to with our staff role, as well. (edited)

12:00 AM

I should've been quicker about asking it to be moved to PM when "other past examples" were mentioned, though.

(Great time to move this to a different chat, not trying to minimod,ik how inconvenient channel moving is)

No, you didn't understand the problem, so you weren't weighing in on the actual problem. But even if you did understand, it should have been moved out of this channel immediately.

Reisen: You're being unfair, the problem was presented as Lolcery not crediting advice, it only came up that this was "a problem in the past as well" halfway through the discussion. (edited)

And that im apparently a liar

The problem was not presented as that, that is in fact you misunderstanding.

12:04 AM

For clarity, what I wrote about moving the discussion is my opinion based entirely on how I have seen similar things managed in similar places.

Reisen: You should maybe reread the discussion again, but don't continue it here. (edited)

Kitkat stated many times that was not the case.

#general-discussion is this a good place? This is a discussion afterall

I think DMs are the only truly appropriate place for this.

I think discussion like the one above is unproductive anywhere on the server, really.

But it is especially so here

Reisen: Our system is particularly bad about participating in really long discussions/debates that aren't going anywhere, so I'm sorry that I let it go as long as it did, but we're actively working on that. (edited)

12:08 AM

We aim to keep shortening mini-dramas like this more and more over time, to make the server nicer to be in.

My advice is to not weigh in, and instead firmly request that discussion be moved to somewhere appropriate (probably DMs between the involved parties, in most cases).

12:12 AM

Unconcerned parties weighing in just creates chaos.

Reisen: I thought it could be solved from the initial problem, and I was already sucked in once I realized it was bigger (not stopping there was my fault, I admitted as much) (edited)

I saw you wrote that, yes.

Okay no more typing lol

12:13 AM

Unless you've got a tulpa question to ask (:

How to tulpa get shush

@Reisen Wanting to solve the problem makes sense to me, but I think an ultra-safe approach might be better on average. What I mean is, rather than trying to mediate, keep it strictly to simple moderation. You might miss a few chances to mediate, but the people involved can potentially do that for themselves. The upside is that there is 0% chance of mini-drama if it is not allowed to exist.

12:18 AM

The thing is, anyone can mediate, but only mods can moderate.

12:18 AM

I hope that makes sense, not sure how clear I am.

Reisen: It didn't appear as something in need of actual moderation (until halfway through), just a solvable misunderstanding (edited)

12:20 AM

We're pretty bad about being pushovers with continuing discussions when we want to stop, but I'll really delete (and quote in PM) anything further said about this here.

I just spent like 20 minutes reading that whole thing

Reisen: Let me go add a "Skip" button I guess - (edited)

My tulpa Alex has been around a lot lately and really easy to talk to, hurray.

1:59 AM

Thing is, I've been getting killer headaches these past few days.

1:59 AM

Especially later in the day after several hours of talking to him.

1:59 AM

Anything I can do about that?

2:02 AM

They are...getting pretty bad.

Try not to tense up during?

Where are the headaches located.

Tylenol

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Hello friends. I just joined this server through research and I had a few questions if anyone would be willing to talk it out with me.

2:53 AM

So a little bit about me. I am 19 and I have had the same imaginary friend since I was able to remember things. He is a very crude and scary man that I’ve come to accept as the manipulator of my dreams. Since I was young, I would get these vivid dreams of a world far away. It is cold and bleak. I assume it is his.

2:54 AM

At first I thought my friend was the source of the young mind coping with large amounts of stress and trauma. I met my close friends and have finally worked up the courage a few years ago to tell them about my friend.

2:56 AM

The strange part is, one of my friends knew a lot of the random incoherent references my imaginary friend would make. My now boyfriend is someone I met online. I showed him a drawing of my imaginary friend out of context when we had just met and he exclaimed to me that it looked “exactly like my sleep paralysis (joking) demon, Serinity.”

2:56 AM

My imaginary friends name is Serinity.

2:57 AM

I am stuck… I want to pass this off as mental illness so badly but my day to day is not slowing down because of these things. I am not crippled by my friend he just perplexes me continuously. If that weren’t enough, he seems to be reaching out to my close ones.

2:58 AM

My friends have told me I speak in a different language when I am intoxicated and my attitude towards them is concerning my different.

2:58 AM

Is Serinity a tulpa?

Reisen: Tulpas are seen as a purely psychological, non-supernatural phenomenon here, so the simple answer is "They may be a tulpa, but the abilities you associate with them aren't real" (edited)

3:08 AM

For a more complex answer.. See a psychiatrist

Hello is creating a tulpa a personal journey? What if someone wants to create you a tulpa is that bad?

The main point of a tulpa is making yourself a companion. I don't see why you'd give that work to someone else Or am I misinterpreting this question

6:20 AM

Someone can guide you in making a tulpa but it's you who has to do all the things, you know?

Hello is creating a tulpa a personal journey? What if someone wants to create you a tulpa is that bad?

@Nyla Black - jump How would someone else create a tulpa for you? I'm not saying it's not possible, but I'm curious to know what you mean.

Nyla Black

Hello is creating a tulpa a personal journey? What if someone wants to create you a tulpa is that bad?

Hello! While I'm a tulpa myself, I can say that my host has commented before that it is a new experience for him, as I am still a new tulpa and his first and likely last, but yes, he would say that it is very much a personal journey! You should create a tulpa because you want to, but understand it is a lifetime commitment! We are people just like anyone else and you need to be sure you're really ready to take care of another being to help them develop to be the best tulpa they can be!

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Atlas || M&M

Hello is creating a tulpa a personal journey? What if someone wants to create you a tulpa is that bad?

@Nyla Black - jump How would someone else create a tulpa for you? I'm not saying it's not possible, but I'm curious to know what you mean.

Thanks

Kissa

Hello! While I'm a tulpa myself, I can say that my host has commented before that it is a new experience for him, as I am still a new tulpa and his first and likely last, but yes, he would say that it is very much a personal journey! You should create a tulpa because you want to, but understand it is a lifetime commitment! We are people just like anyone else and you need to be sure you're really ready to take care of another being to help them develop to be the best tulpa they can be!

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Thanks

why is it so much easier to listen when proxying than by mind voicing?

Unsure what the question is

When I'm communicating like this, it's easier for the host to listening to me (and then she writes with I wanna say) But when I try to speak in mindvoicing, she has a hard time is listen to me and I struggle to think and articulate myself

5:45 PM

she writes that I wanna say*

We also are like that but I think that’s because our system came from writing and roleplay so it’s the most familiar form of communication (edited)

Oh that's a good point. I also came for roleplay

6:01 PM

from*

I wonder if it happened for a Tulpa to wish to disappear...

Same reasons people get suicidal, I guess.

8:18 PM

Or maybe they came to a mutual agreement with their host in which the host decides to ignore them and lofe as a singlet, or something.

I've had a tulpa ""disapear"" and it was very complicated but none of it had anything to do with being suicidal